It is puzzling why marriage (western style - for love, with rights and property protection for both sides etc.) is not a good thing for the luxury crowd. Remember how Moynihan pointed out the deterioration of black families as the cause of financial and societal problems and was (still is) pilloried for that? The circus is still in town; white families followed, same pattern emerged. It is doubly disturbing to me - I am a Soviet product, even we were told that a family is the 'important cell of the Soviet society'. Even commies understood.
You are right Ayaan. Of course you can always go deeper. I applaud your courage again to call these things out. I also have felt your anger at the lack-of response, particularly from the feminist intellectual spheres and celebrities following Oct 7. It was visceral for me - so I have some sense of your urgency. This I encountered myself. A clarity that can also hit you like a road-train.
I venture something much deeper is afoot. Here in Australia, I have promoted and referred to your ideas however I also think there is a stream running through so many of these issues and picks up the strongest of which you defer. The behaviour of the jihadist - Islamism, its beliefs and its ideals.
I agree with your protests about the co-opting of Me-Too, like feminism itself, the 'fuzzy rape' you speak of has exponentially piled over the original intent of voicing the silent - think child sexual abuse survivors and extreme sexual violence. This has also been lost and drowned out. As discussed with on a previous podcast, no I don't think "Me-Too" has won and we are through this. Not the 'real' problem cases that we really wish to highlight and promote. Things have improved yes, thankfully, but it is not resolved. Our current moment to a testament to that. All of the issues above speak to this. Whilst we speak of 'libertarian' which I agree we must defend - I feel we must also acknowledge and take responsibility for the overt sexual market we are all swimming in. The boundaries we once all silently agreed to co-operate in for the greater good in our collective public space has been destroyed to the detriment of all. Sexual identity has become the new Religion. It is explicit. We are all expected to have to swallow the images and corruption of the public space. I agree we must promote and salvage our 'libertarian' freedom, we must also, in the same vain, acknowledge and speak to the excesses we are now drowning in. More must be said to societal boundaries. As a mother, who's daughters have grown up, thankfully just as the dawning of social media rose on the horizon, I despair at the overt,sexually explicit, extremity and force under the so called 'liberty' banner to now include the extreme fringes of society. BDSM for instance, is now mainstream. Bestiality has now been made legal in Spain and as The free Press reported last week, a gathering of Sexual Therapists in the US, were promoting bestiality as a legitimate and should be accepted form of sexual activity. We are also aware of MAPS (minor attracted persons) wishing for their sexual proclivity to be accepted and put under the PRIDE umbrella also. As a recent major Australian Study showed - 1 in 3 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18 and 1 in 5 boys have experienced child sexual abuse. See info graphic
The full report can be accessed. The sampling did in fact show a doubling of assaults by the groups you refer to. A number of trans activists are promoting and espousing for the complete 'freedom' of child autonomy', note their identity. Some have promoted, as displayed with child transitioning for instance, that children know their sexual identity when very young. Lets also not forget that there was in the 70s a serious debate in the 'intellectual' sphere regarding sex with minors. This is very well known and documented. A petition was signed and was made public. It was also known, by the feminists at the time, that a number of very well known and respected psychologists at the time espoused that no harm was done to children who were sexually abused. In fact, some claimed, it was good for them.
Where am I going with all this? I feel whilst we must not shut down talk, debate and our very well regarded and fought for libertarian rights, we must also concede where it has gone wrong. We must also speak to the right to societal boundaries and why we have them in the first place. Otherwise the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. We must include both. Those of us 'in the know' are very well aware of what this avert explicit landscape does to children and to people in general. We are within and without, being made coerced and forced to get use to a new 'normal'. I am with you 150%.
However, when so much of our western elite and those in power (politicians and policy makers) making decisions, are narrowly focused on re-election and continual economic growth to the expense of anything else they have lost sight of the very thing we are now crying out of losing - the family. This is by no means the only measure but one I believe you speak to and one I am passionate about. believe we are now paying a price for this. I believe in the current climate - sexuality and inter-relations - we have a human problem. A global human problem - with objectively and critically the threat we now face from this cachet of religious fervent believers that you are warning about and which many can see.
Whilst we have come a long way, I don't believe we have 'solved' this problem at all.
The likes of Rob Henderson speaks to much of this. Luxury beliefs of the so-called elite. It speaks to nearly a third of our population in the west. This is not a small number of people. It is a huge amount and I believe it will possibly grow - as we head down a precarious path coupled with AI.
"Only the paradox comes anywhere near comprehending the fullness of life." - Carl Jung. Just like the paradox involved in your slip-of-the-tongue, "Its a take as old as time," Ayaan.
And as a recent convert to Christianity should you be contemplating the Nazarene's reality-wise saying, "they seeing, see not, hearing, hear not, and neither do they understand?"
Especially how it relates to the entwined truths and falsehoods inherent in the descriptive words of our multilingual, consensus-reality versions of reality, and the perceptual paradox of blind self-interest?
It is puzzling why marriage (western style - for love, with rights and property protection for both sides etc.) is not a good thing for the luxury crowd. Remember how Moynihan pointed out the deterioration of black families as the cause of financial and societal problems and was (still is) pilloried for that? The circus is still in town; white families followed, same pattern emerged. It is doubly disturbing to me - I am a Soviet product, even we were told that a family is the 'important cell of the Soviet society'. Even commies understood.
You are right Ayaan. Of course you can always go deeper. I applaud your courage again to call these things out. I also have felt your anger at the lack-of response, particularly from the feminist intellectual spheres and celebrities following Oct 7. It was visceral for me - so I have some sense of your urgency. This I encountered myself. A clarity that can also hit you like a road-train.
I venture something much deeper is afoot. Here in Australia, I have promoted and referred to your ideas however I also think there is a stream running through so many of these issues and picks up the strongest of which you defer. The behaviour of the jihadist - Islamism, its beliefs and its ideals.
I agree with your protests about the co-opting of Me-Too, like feminism itself, the 'fuzzy rape' you speak of has exponentially piled over the original intent of voicing the silent - think child sexual abuse survivors and extreme sexual violence. This has also been lost and drowned out. As discussed with on a previous podcast, no I don't think "Me-Too" has won and we are through this. Not the 'real' problem cases that we really wish to highlight and promote. Things have improved yes, thankfully, but it is not resolved. Our current moment to a testament to that. All of the issues above speak to this. Whilst we speak of 'libertarian' which I agree we must defend - I feel we must also acknowledge and take responsibility for the overt sexual market we are all swimming in. The boundaries we once all silently agreed to co-operate in for the greater good in our collective public space has been destroyed to the detriment of all. Sexual identity has become the new Religion. It is explicit. We are all expected to have to swallow the images and corruption of the public space. I agree we must promote and salvage our 'libertarian' freedom, we must also, in the same vain, acknowledge and speak to the excesses we are now drowning in. More must be said to societal boundaries. As a mother, who's daughters have grown up, thankfully just as the dawning of social media rose on the horizon, I despair at the overt,sexually explicit, extremity and force under the so called 'liberty' banner to now include the extreme fringes of society. BDSM for instance, is now mainstream. Bestiality has now been made legal in Spain and as The free Press reported last week, a gathering of Sexual Therapists in the US, were promoting bestiality as a legitimate and should be accepted form of sexual activity. We are also aware of MAPS (minor attracted persons) wishing for their sexual proclivity to be accepted and put under the PRIDE umbrella also. As a recent major Australian Study showed - 1 in 3 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18 and 1 in 5 boys have experienced child sexual abuse. See info graphic
https://www.acms.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/3846.2_ACMS_Infographics_R5.2_11_Child-sexual-abuse%CE%93Cofull-sample.pdf
The full report can be accessed. The sampling did in fact show a doubling of assaults by the groups you refer to. A number of trans activists are promoting and espousing for the complete 'freedom' of child autonomy', note their identity. Some have promoted, as displayed with child transitioning for instance, that children know their sexual identity when very young. Lets also not forget that there was in the 70s a serious debate in the 'intellectual' sphere regarding sex with minors. This is very well known and documented. A petition was signed and was made public. It was also known, by the feminists at the time, that a number of very well known and respected psychologists at the time espoused that no harm was done to children who were sexually abused. In fact, some claimed, it was good for them.
Where am I going with all this? I feel whilst we must not shut down talk, debate and our very well regarded and fought for libertarian rights, we must also concede where it has gone wrong. We must also speak to the right to societal boundaries and why we have them in the first place. Otherwise the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. We must include both. Those of us 'in the know' are very well aware of what this avert explicit landscape does to children and to people in general. We are within and without, being made coerced and forced to get use to a new 'normal'. I am with you 150%.
However, when so much of our western elite and those in power (politicians and policy makers) making decisions, are narrowly focused on re-election and continual economic growth to the expense of anything else they have lost sight of the very thing we are now crying out of losing - the family. This is by no means the only measure but one I believe you speak to and one I am passionate about. believe we are now paying a price for this. I believe in the current climate - sexuality and inter-relations - we have a human problem. A global human problem - with objectively and critically the threat we now face from this cachet of religious fervent believers that you are warning about and which many can see.
Whilst we have come a long way, I don't believe we have 'solved' this problem at all.
The likes of Rob Henderson speaks to much of this. Luxury beliefs of the so-called elite. It speaks to nearly a third of our population in the west. This is not a small number of people. It is a huge amount and I believe it will possibly grow - as we head down a precarious path coupled with AI.
I hope I am wrong.
"Only the paradox comes anywhere near comprehending the fullness of life." - Carl Jung. Just like the paradox involved in your slip-of-the-tongue, "Its a take as old as time," Ayaan.
And as a recent convert to Christianity should you be contemplating the Nazarene's reality-wise saying, "they seeing, see not, hearing, hear not, and neither do they understand?"
Especially how it relates to the entwined truths and falsehoods inherent in the descriptive words of our multilingual, consensus-reality versions of reality, and the perceptual paradox of blind self-interest?